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AnonymousAnonymous GUESTS
edited March 2011 in General Discussion
I know you have said that games don't repeat but you are wrong. I have been keeping track with notes & games are repeating very regularly, & not only the game of the day. I have clicked "new game" repeatedly, only to find a game I have already played once again. If there can not be a REAL shuffling to get new games, I will have to find another site.

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  • daviddavid REGISTERED, ADMINISTRATORS
    cappie wrote:
    I know you have said that games don't repeat but you are wrong. I have been keeping track with notes & games are repeating very regularly, & not only the game of the day. I have clicked "new game" repeatedly, only to find a game I have already played once again. If there can not be a REAL shuffling to get new games, I will have to find another site.
    If you are getting games that you've already played then we probably have a bug that needs to be fixed. I'd love to see your notes. When you play are you always logged in? I don't see a user called "cappie" in our system--do you play under a different name?

    Do you ever play a game and then close the browser window when you get stuck? That is one case where we wouldn't register the game as being played and we might give that same game back to you next time.

    -David
  • jimjim REGISTERED, ADMINISTRATORS
    cappie wrote:
    I know you have said that games don't repeat but you are wrong. I have been keeping track with notes & games are repeating very regularly, & not only the game of the day. I have clicked "new game" repeatedly, only to find a game I have already played once again. If there can not be a REAL shuffling to get new games, I will have to find another site.

    As David says, it's probably a bug, but we'll need more details to figure out what we're doing wrong. Do you perchance play from two separate computers? I think we have a bug where if you did you might see duplicate games.

    -Jim
  • Hi: I don't register because I don't want to compete, I just play for my own amusement. (I'm old :-) & I don't want my addy on the web more than necessary. I don't want to keep a public score, just wins in my own mind for myself.

    I did not keep extensive notes but will try to do a screen capture from now on. They were just notations of card placement to jog my memory if I saw the same game 3 or more times.

    Yes I have shut the browser on occasion but that would not account for all the repeats. It seems like the games are set up in a certain rotation instead of the cards being really shuffled to create a new game.
  • ps, no I only have one computer, my very first. My kids & grandkids had been trying to talk me into it for years & they all gave me half the cost for Christmas. I bought a brand new Macbook in Jan. :-)
  • PPS: One way that I know that I have seen the same game several times is that after I start moving, I suddenly realize that I know what the next cards/moves are going to be. If I keep playing & sure enough there are the cards/moves that I expected, I usually choose another game at that point. However, since the games seem to be in a regular rotation, I often get another repeat game. Then I click "new game" a lot of times & sometimes I get a new game (to me) but not always.

    (I play a lot as I am retired & a disabled shut in.)
  • daviddavid REGISTERED, ADMINISTRATORS
    Interesting. When you open up a Green Felt game and you are anonymous (not logged in) it should pick the game of the day first and then every game after that is supposed to be chosen randomly. If you are seeing duplicate games there could be a couple things going on--either we aren't choosing games randomly, or the cards aren't being shuffled very well. If you are taking notes we'd love it if you could write down the game numbers.

    The game number is shown to the right of the "Auto-finish" button. It represents a unique shuffle of the cards. So the question becomes, are you seeing game numbers repeat, or are you seeing different game numbers with the same basic card layout? That would point out which part of the code is causing you to see repeat games.

    If you could report back with some game numbers then we could look them up and see what is going on first hand.

    As and aside, we don't ask for your email when you sign up--We hate that too. :-) Our sign up is just a simple user name and password (from time to time we've considered adding an optional email address just for password recovery, but it's not high on our list of priorities). When you are logged in not only does your name shows up on the high score table, but we also use a different method to choose games when you click "new game": We look through our database and find games that other people have played but that you have not. The point is you might get less repeat game while logged in. But we'd also like to fix any bugs in anonymous mode so we'd love it if you could keep track of the game numbers and report back to us.

    -David
  • Ok thanks David. I will start tracking game numbers & let you know. I never noticed those numbers before.
  • Well from my keeping track just today those game numbers are NOT repeating. I don't know if you changed anything yet but the repeating does not seem as bad now. I did notice that some games seemed very similar but it was not as severe as earlier.

    However I pretty much stuck with plain Klondyke today to make this simpler. I will try other types of games tom.
  • jimjim REGISTERED, ADMINISTRATORS
    cappie wrote:
    Well from my keeping track just today those game numbers are NOT repeating. I don't know if you changed anything yet but the repeating does not seem as bad now. I did notice that some games seemed very similar but it was not as severe as earlier

    Thanks for the feedback. Let us know the game numbers if any "similar" games you find. It's possible our random number generator is not very random.

    -Jim
  • I'd say your random number generator is initialized to the same sequence for different users. I notice that if I play 20 or 30 games at night, Evelyn 1958 has played many of the same games within a few minutes of me. (Not that I'm complaining - I've been challenging myself to beat her times.)

  • daviddavid REGISTERED, ADMINISTRATORS

    That is by design. Every hour there's a new random seed and everyone plays the same set of games in that hour. That helps make the site feel like there's always people playing. We (foolishly?) used 32 bits for our game # which comes to roughly 4 billion possible games. If everyone played a true random game there would hardly ever be a 2nd person playing a given game #.

    We attempt to keep track of which games have been played in that hourly "seed chain" (as we call it), and so when people complain of repeats if makes me think there's a bug in that code somewhere, but we haven't been able to find it (it's pretty simple). We do store that info in a cookie, so if you play in private browsing mode or clear your cookies out then it will repeat. But I get the sense that when people have repeating games that something else is going on.

  • Because I'm slightly odd I play a 'user generated' game every day using the date (English, not US!) as a number - so for instance I created 131115 today.  I've never seen any other user having tried these games, so presumably they don't ever form part of the hourly seed chain - do you have any way to pick up user created games too?  I'm sure I'm not the only one out there creating them - I hope I'm not...;-)

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